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Nico ([personal profile] vilakins) wrote2010-11-21 06:37 pm

Vic update

I couldn't answer all the kind comments about Vic, but here's an update.

At first things didn't look good. We've never been able to give him pills and even liquid antibiotic is hard, so we were crushing the pills into his food. He ate a few doses but then refused to after a couple of days. We decided to give up on the pills. Antibiotics only help in some cases, they don't even know why they do, and we thought they were making him nauseous so we're just feeding him tuna which he likes. He's eating that and perking up a lot. He also has plenty of water and K/D dry food available as usual but I don't think he's eating the dry food.

Anyway, he's looking a lot better, more cheerful and like his old self. He was spending all his time outside but he's coming in again and today stayed inside on a snuggler which we're taking as an encouraging sign as he hides outside when unwell. He's here now and has just had some tuna.

Greg just said he's in the latest cat play box. :-D [goes and gets photos, including one with an interested Ashley]

[identity profile] snowgrouse.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 06:05 am (UTC)(link)
Awwwwwwwwwww! *squishes you all*

[identity profile] ultrapsychobrat.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
You know, you could try putting some tuna juice on the wet KD and see if he'll eat that.

I'm glad he's doing better.

[identity profile] ultrapsychobrat.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 07:28 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sending you an except from our Natural Cat book by Anitra Frazier on giving fluid, and the url for a youtube entry on how to do it, if you decide to do it.

Good luck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Ta537YEOU

Subcutaneous Hydration

This is a simple procedure that alleviates the dehydration that occurs in any disease, especially when a cat is old. Kidney disease is one of them.

A subcutaneous setup looks exactly like an intravenous setup, but the fluid goes into a fold of skin instead of a vein. A plain saline solution called Ringer's Lactate (Lactated Ringers's) is dribbled under the skin by means of a small needle. A cat kidney patient will need from 100 milliliters to 200, once a week to twice a day depending on how bad the kidneys are.

The difference is amazing.

1. The fluid bag can be suspended on a plain metal hanger over the door. It should be about three or feet above the cat.
2. Practice with the equipment, manipulate the flow valve, and practice making a tent of the fur on the shoulder of the cat. Just pull it up like a loose pinch.
3. Heat the fluids in a sink of warm water—include the lube and needle.
4. Talk to your cat about what you're doing and how much better he'll feel.
5. Use and 18 or 20 gauge needle.
6. The needle is inserted in the scruff or just behind and to the side of shoulder. NEVER insert the needle near the spine. Cat's skin if very loose and supple. The tent of skin you make should be from 1 ½ to 2 inches. Insert the needle in the middle of the tent, pushing firmly up. (Cats have very tough skin, so it may take a bit of effort.)
7. When the first half of the needle is inserted, release the fluid flow valve on the tubing. Move the valve along the tube a bit and pinch out the crimp. Look at the chamber below the bag to make sure the fluid is flowing in drips. After the fluid is flowing freely through the tube and into the cat. Insert the needle the rest of the way.
8. Allow the amount of fluid the cat needs to enter the cat.
9. To end, turn off the flow valve on the tube. Pinch the area where the needle is inserted and pull out the needle. Continue to pinch the area gently for a few seconds, so the fluid will not leak out. Pet your cat and praise him.
10. Store the fluids out of the way. Loop the tubing over the bag. Be sure the flow valve is closed.

At first it's better to have someone help you keep the cat still. They catch on about getting the fluids about the third time. Be patient with the cat and with yourself.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
I doubt very much if it's affordable here--everything from vets costs megabucks--but I will ask.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I just rang up and asked them about it, and it's as I thought. People can't do that themselves here; we'd have to take him in to the vet and get it done there. It would just be too expensive. His last visit was $250, and remember we only earn about half what Americans do.

]Edit] Though Greg's wondering whether it's worth buying from the US, though I cringe at what the freight would be. What was your supplier?
Edited 2010-11-21 21:38 (UTC)

[identity profile] ultrapsychobrat.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
We got a prescription for the Ringer's Lactate from our vet which we took to CostCo (a discount big box store which has a pharmacy). The lines and needles we bought on line from http://www.drsfostersmith.com/.

I hope this helps.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
If you need a prescription, then that's the end of it. The vets here will only do it themselves.

[identity profile] communicator.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
Glad he's feeling better, the poor boy

[identity profile] linda-joyce.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
I am so happy he is improving, my fingers are crossed for more good news later.

[identity profile] zoefruitcake.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
I'm glad he's more like his old self :0)
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[personal profile] sheenaghpugh 2010-11-21 08:49 am (UTC)(link)
oh, I'm so glad he's perked up! In Lotus's last illness we ended up feeding her salmon and custard because it was what made her happy and she did very well on it.

[identity profile] imhilien.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
I'm glad to hear he's looking better. :)

[identity profile] miss-next.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
Glad to hear he's feeling better at the moment! I've never known a cat who didn't perk up at the smell of tuna. :-)

[identity profile] emerald-happy.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 10:25 am (UTC)(link)
awwwwww *hugs everything*

<3 Vic *hugs*

[identity profile] vjezkova.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
I am really so glad to read that Vic is improving! I hope with you that he will be completely healthy again!
Hugs for you and a gentle pat for Vic!xxx

[identity profile] stevie-carroll.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 11:30 am (UTC)(link)
That all sounds pretty positive.

[identity profile] jaxomsride.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad he's doing better, I hope he continues to do well too.

[identity profile] astrogirl2.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
What everybody else said! Glad he seems to be improving. Will keep fingers crossed for him!

[identity profile] entropy-house.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay! I'm glad to hear there are hopeful signs with Vic. :^)

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never had cats so I don't know personally, but someone on my flist thanked someone on HER flist for the tip about using "pill packets" to give medication to a resistant cat--they might work for Vic too!

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I have some, but he's not keen on lumpy food right now. I doubt he'd bother to chew them. As it is, we're mashing the tuna up to make it more attractive to him.

[identity profile] luinielle.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm very glad to hear about the hopeful signs with Vic. :o) Hugs to you all.
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[identity profile] elmey.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad Vic has shown some improvement, and that he loves his tuna as much as ever!

[identity profile] corvuscornix.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Aww. It's good to hear hopeful news.
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[identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm very glad that he's enjoying his tuna, and hope this phase lasts as long as possible.

[identity profile] green-maia.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so glad he's feeling better, and I hope he continues to do well.

*Hugs*

[identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com 2010-11-27 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just back from my holiday - hence my late response - but that sounds very encouraging. I hope that his improvement has continued.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2010-11-27 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
It hasn't. He's not eating now, but at least he's still drinking. We're going to find out if the vet can give him something to restore his appetite, but I suspect it's cancer because the lesion we had removed from his nose has come back.

[identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com 2010-11-27 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh dear. *hugs*