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Nico ([personal profile] vilakins) wrote2008-09-05 04:08 pm

Five more Ts, this time from B7

1. Comment on this post and ask for a letter.
2. I will give you one.
3. Think of 5 fictional characters whose names begin with that letter, and post their names and your comments on these characters in your LJ.


I've already done this meme for the letter T, avoiding Blake's 7 for the extra challenge and novelty, but due to popular request (well, one), here are the five B7 characters I didn't write about.

Travis was an interesting character who despite having a regrettable propensity to mow down civilians and an obsession about Blake, did have some finer nuances to his personality. He was upset at the treatment of Marryatt's family to cover up Servalan's tracks (and it's my fanon that he did something about it), he saved Docholli's life twice, and he was visibly hurt by Chenie's sneers at his "noble nature". I'd love to have seen him actually join the crew in Hostage. As for his deal with the Andromedans, I can't quite grasp that level of revenge.

Tyce is a strong and capable woman who I think would make a far better president than her self-pitying and defeated father. I don't much like the implication in the first part of the episode that she's another of Sarkoff's possessions intended to console him in exile, but her uniform (complete with boots) looks wonderful on her. Some people think she looks odd but I'd kill to look like that. She's played by the wonderfully geographically named Carinthia West. :-)

Tynus is one of Avon's "old friends' who are anything but. I can't imagine Avon getting on with the unctuous creep, but they must have been close enough for Avon to protect him when caught. I doubt that was the crime Avon was sent to Cygnus Alpha for, and there's also Keiller, so I take this as proof that Avon has been a criminal for quite a while, though it might not have been his primary occupation. Going by these two, he doesn't seem to have been very good at choosing either friends or co-criminals. I wonder if Tynus designed the outfits worn on Fosforon: probably, given his interest in insects. Perhaps he would have been happier in the fashion world (if not successful).

Toise seems to be under Krantor's thumb, but I think he was the number two that was trying harder. I like the scene where he's wearing a headdress of such size and magnificence it offends Krantor; he knows how to soothe with compliments while hiding his ambition and doing most of the work. And when Avon and Vila escape with their winnings, Toise forces Krantor to his knees. I'd say Toise ran the joint after that.

Tarrant I was sure was a Federation plant because of his name being only one letter different from Dev Tarrant; it's got to be the same family. I spent most of S3 accumulating proof that he was a double agent, but was eventually forced to admit he wasn't. According to Liberation, he was meant to be one but they changed their minds. Tarrant was a little young for the original role, but he makes a fun and impetuous character who is at his cleverest with the word games in Dawn of the Gods. I hate the way he bullies Vila at the beginning of City and tells him that no one cares because that's so cruel, but in general he was young, brave, handsome, and honourable. A pity that Blake remembered his name too and misjudged him.

[identity profile] vandonovan.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
I've really got to rewatch Hostage again. I remember wanting Travis--even that Traivs--to join the crew back then too, and I remember Vila's offer of sorts, but it's an episode I usually skip. (I still can't believe Avon kicks Vila, ahahaha.)

And, ah, Tarrant. I'd like to see a fic handle that and keep it to canon. Either that he was a Federation plant but Tarrant broke his conditoning/triple crossed them, or something. I always thought it especially out of character for Avon to accept him at face-value. Dayna, sure--he met her father and saw where she came from, but he only had Tarrant's word for what he was, and Tarrant had already proved how adept at lying he was.

Of course, the first time I watched B7 and Avon pulled the Liberator gun out of the rack and held it at Blake and Jenna in Spacefall, I thought for sure that was foreshadowing that he was going to turn evil/join the Federation.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, Vila was willing to accept Travis at face value. Poor Vila; he did his best to resist (though he;s pretty hopeless in 'Hostage'), and being kicked was pretty lousy. I did write a story explaining his behaviour and showing the consequences of that kick: 'Blood, Threats, and Fears'.

I also wrote in 'Lynx' about Tarrant being a plant and turning when he realised what the Federation was like, but not knowing about the deeper conditioning. It explains how Servalan was constantly onto them throughout S3 and S4.

Now that I didn't expect: Avon joining the Federation. I did remember that he turned evil though; at least that's the way I remembered him from when I was a kid.

[identity profile] vandonovan.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I've read both of those fic of yours and liked them both. (That's the one with the chess pieces, isn't it? I really loved that scene.) I had no idea about spoilers for B7, so Avon going evil seemed plausible. But I thought it would happened within S1; I didn't expect them to plant a seed in S1 and not play on it until S4, so by S2 I figured I'd been wrong.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
You mean the voting with the black and white pieces? If so, that's the one! If you mean Vila carving a chess set for Avon, that's 'The Hand of Friendship'. :-)

Avon seems to have been written as amoral, or at least trying to give that impression, but he rescues the others a little too often in S1 and S2. So does Vila for that matter, throughout the series, so they're both good at looking worse than they are, probably to lower expectations. :-)

[identity profile] vandonovan.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I mean the voting with the chess pieces. Of course, I like the ones in Hand of Friendship too, but I remember how much the voting scene in that fic struck me. More so than the rest, I think.

And yeah. A lot of them seem to be written as amoral, but they all step up to the plate at times, even Tarrant and Travis. XD Well, less so than Vil and Avon, but still.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
When I wrote that story, I only had Vila's past and his injury in mind, but once I thought about how close they must have been to getting rid of him as a liability, I thought up the voting--and how it went and why. :-D

Even Blake became quite grey at the end of S2 with his willingness to kill millions, but Jenna, Gan, and Cally seemed consistently ethical (with a little lapse for Jenna in 'Killer' but fair enough considering what they may have done to her mother).

[identity profile] crycraven.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
I am with you on the 'Avon's a crimmo before Anna' thing. After all, thinking 'wealth is the only reality' doesn't just creep up on you.

Tarrant I see as federation, definitely, before Powerplay. I know he says he isn't, but - his uniform fits too well! I don't think he was a plant, though - rather a deserter. I'd join Avon too, if the Federation was in tatters and I'd seen the strongroom. And seen Avon, actually...
x

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
It also explains why they had an eye on him with Anna: he had at least one previous conviction and they knew how brilliant he was.

Yes, Tarrant's story is so full of holes, I'm amazed Avon just accepted it. Vila doesn't seem to have, but Avon and Cally don't seem at all concerned.

His story is very suspicious: he says he was there when the first salvo was fired, but Federation ships would have been the first on the scene, and it seems unlikely that he acquired a space captain's uniform so easily after being rescued, especially one matching his rank. He also knows what Blake looks like (no one else seems to), though not the rest of Blake's crew. So Nation did a clever job of setting him up well for later revelations, which in fact never come.

[identity profile] crycraven.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Gosh - it would have been exciting though, wouldn't it?
I wathed 'Sand' today. He was ADORABLE. So was Seralan, now I think about it. I was a bit confused as to the bit when they find Don Keller. It goes something like this:
- The lights are on
- The food machine works
- He's dead, but not decomposed
- His body is supple
...so why don't they think he died just before they got there, instead of the 'OMG He's been dead 5 years there ust be a magic preservative in the sand'. Weird.
(Oh, and I loved the way Avon figured EVERYTHING out from the comfort of Scorpio, just by moving little squares around with 'water' and 'sand' written on them. He rules, but there's ruling and there's plot shortcuts.)

Wow - seems like I had a lot to say about that! Sorry for ranting!
xxx

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't watched 'Sand' for a while, but I think transmissions from Keller and his people ended five years ago. The power was probably fusion or solar so I can accept that, but I do wonder about the food. Maybe it was in stasis or frozen; I don't think they'd have Star Trek-type replicators; they haven't that level of tech.

[identity profile] vjezkova.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
This is really nice, Ilike the comments about all the Ts!

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I suspect I could round up 5 characters from B7 for almost any letter. :-)

[identity profile] hafren.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
Dear God, it never occurred to me that Blake remembers Tarrant's name! Of course he would....

What Avon has, I fear, is a penchant for slightly louche-looking blondes, from the alleged brother through Tynus and Del-and-Anna Grant to Keiller (who maybe looked a bit more enticing before he put on weight). Actually I feel a bit sorry for Tynus. He's obviously not very good socially; he's stuck in this backwater, probably because as a former associate of Avon's he is mistrusted, and for all his treachery I think his initial delight at seeing Avon is genuine.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 06:36 am (UTC)(link)
I watched the whole series in less than three months (it was on 6 nights a week), so Dev Tarrant was still very clear in my mind. This is also why I suspect that Blake lied about Jenna to Tarrant to protect her.

However it never occurred to me that Avon might be lying about it being his brother. It certainly makes sense of him calling Avon "Avon".

Yes, Tynus is very pleased to see Avon (before the danger sinks in) and as I said in my ep review, this is one of the few times--in any fandom--where I can see a pairing that isn't canon. As for Keiller, I remember a very funny story on FC, by [livejournal.com profile] entropy_house I think, which had them in a hammock on the Space Princess, plus the explanation that Avon liked his women slender and his men zaftig. :-)

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I was half expecting B7 to turn out like The Man Who Was Thursday, with *everybody* actually playing for the other team...which would explain a lot about the success of just abut everything attempted in the series.

In "Martin Chuzzlewit" there's a con man whose alias is his first and last names reversed, so I retconned the brother by assuming that My Former Client started out as being named Avon Kerr.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
They're fairly successful in S1 and moderately in S2, but then they could be taking a while to get into their roles.

Vila too? I remember you once had him writing a letter to his mother signed Restal. Was his middle name Aston?

[identity profile] richenda.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll play!

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-05 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
All right, have an N! :-D

[identity profile] richenda.livejournal.com 2008-09-06 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
hmm - I've written about 500 words about two Ns - I'll get back to you!

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-06 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder if one of them goes with an L. ;-)

[identity profile] richenda.livejournal.com 2008-09-06 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
Yes - first one I thought of!
You did that on purpose!

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2008-09-06 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
[grin] I did, and I'd already given out an L.