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Oh crap. Apparently they are going to remake Blake's 7. I daresay it will be 'gritty' and the characters changed out of all recognition and everyone will take it up as a new fandom.

I can hardly wait.

[Edit] Since so many people are telling me I'm negative, I shall point out that it's B7E I'm negative about. They've changed the characters and universe (come on, a populated galaxy in 200 years?) in their audio series and will do the same in a TV series.

If someone else were remaking B7 with say Martin Freeman as Vila and Dylan Moran as Avon, I'd be excited.

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Like they did with Battlestar Galactica...

I never saw the old one but I gather people who did hated the new one.

If it's any comfort, it's being made by a channel that very few people watch (and that I don't even have), with little track record at making drama series, so I can't foresee huge popularity, regardless of the actual product they turn out.

Then again, strange things sometimes happen...

I feel your pain!

I am in a world of horror.

As far as I know, though, it's being made by Sky One - which can't be described as 'a channel very few people watch', surely?

Very definitely in 'wait and see' mode.

It could be good - the biggest weakness of the original is how unspecial the special effects are. It largely depends on what they chose to do with the characters. If they realize the series was popular because of its flawed heroes, great. If they try to glamourize them....

Sorry, I was probably exaggerating a bit there! It may be sour grapes over the fact that they are also producing the new version of Gladiators, meaning that I won't get the cheesy men-in-lycra fix I would have got if it had been on ITV. ;-)

yeah, I was a big fan of the old one, just couldn't being myself to watch the new

I'd be more upset if the threat hadn't been raised and been dissipated so often before.

I share your pain. Be afraid...be very very afraid...

Yeah. Fuck. I saw that. ARGH. The pain. The pain. And then n00bs will claim it's much better than the old series and old fans are just grumpy old moaners. Probably because it'll have more on-screen 'shipping and very anvilly plots that are trying very hard to be Gritty and Contemporary.

I can't imagine many fans of the original show will abandon it for the new thing. More likely, fans of the new thing will try out the old show and some of them will like it.

Ah. I really should check LJ before Facebook. Have just sent you a BBC link about B7 remake...
Am well aware a remake will almost certainly be a disaster; but, but... just can't seem get beyond the idea of MORE B7 :-D

This seems rather a pessimistic way of looking at things. I had dire forebodings about New Who, but - though there have been plenty of niggles - on the whole I've enjoyed it.

Fuck, fuck, fuck. I was hoping that Sci-Fi would be the co-sponsor, as they were on the audio dramas. God only knows what fuckwittery Sky One will impose when they sign the checks.

I know you weren't at all keen on the new audios but... *shrug* I think they could have been a LOT worse.

And, if the audios are any indication, I don't think they'll go overboard with the "Grim-n-gritty hyperrealism" thing - if nothing else, BSG owns that niche and no-one else could ever come close, nor should they try.

Finally, would it really be so bad if people take it up as a new fandom. One of my chief delights with Doctor Who, over the past 3 years, has been watching folks get into the new series, then discovering the classic run and enjoying it just as much. The smart fans (which are the only ones we want hanging around, right?) acknowledge their roots. ;)

I wasn't impressed by the new Battlestar until I saw the episodes. Very good. I'm more of a fan of the new series than of the old.

And the reboot of Doctor Who has been a massive improvement (much as I love the classic series some of it was a bit ropey)

Give it a few episodes and see how it goes. It could be very good. And even if its rubbish, it'll direct people to the classic series.

I wouldn't mind if the characters were remade for the better and not worse.
I read somewhere that Terry was thinking Dirty Harry for Avon. Well, Dirty Harry wasn't: my skin comes first. So that would be nice in my opinion, if Avon were like that.
Maybe tough on Federation punks.
Maybe he could ask Travis if he feels lucky...:)
Actually, in my opinion, if they were all political prisoners on the London, that would be nice.
Rather than the Dirty Dozen in Space. That's not quite what we got either.
From reading fanfic, I get these impressions:
people would like to see Avon and Blake get along
people would like to see them win.

Also, blowing up communication centers, well we should know better now. Even back then, the phone companies could reroute things in a matter of days.
I've read a lot of fanfic where Blake et al go and try to find rebel allies on other planets.
Maybe that kind of story appeals more to women than men, but hey, there are female viewers too.
This time it could be more character driven. And please, don't have the hero thinking of killing innocents just to win.

Also, PD was marketable. I read that B7E says he wasn't.
I think they should do what Doctor Who did with the Master years ago when they found a replacement.
Anthony Ainley...he might have not been as great as Delgado, but he was really close.
So, find someone who looks a bit like PD and get someone who has a velvet voice.
Oh, and fix Vila too. I'd like him like the Vila in City.

Will they pay attention to female fans this time? I wonder.
One thing that B7E said that really made me angry and that was in regards to fanfic: that it was a pale pastiche of the original.
A pastiche is a work that is a hodgepodge of other themes. Well, that is what B7 was if we are really honest with ourselves.
So, this time it could be more original. I've seen it in fanfic. I don't see a lot of imitations of Magnificent 7 or Dirty Dozen in a lot of fanfic writing.

Blake and Avon. Paul once said they were like David and Jonathan. I was thinking more along the lines of Cain and Abel. It could be David and Jonathan this time around though.
Also, what if Avon and Vila were friends this time? Still could have male banter.

So, why am I saying all this? Well, because I keep reading fanfic that does things like this. Or fanfic that tries to fix Avon. What if they were all fixed from the start? Some fanfic does that too.
So I think to myself, pity it wasn't really like that. No psychopathic-like Avon this time please.
Fanfic tries to fix Avon, but I'm not the only one who knows that you can't fix someone who is amoral, you can't fix a psychopath or narcissist.
So, if Terry was thinking Dirty Harry for Avon at one time, then maybe let's have that.
I wonder if PD would agree? Avon is moral but tough on Federation thugs.
Maybe Blake could be the idealist who hopes they can be cured and he and Avon could argue about that so we can have fireworks between the characters again.
Maybe they could argue about how best to defeat the Federation.
So, I wonder if Sewell is thinking anything like that. I doubt he is.
Makes me want to make a fanfic reboot. I wonder if fanfic writers could get together to do one.
Then tell Sewell: hey, this is what we'd like to see. Stop ignoring fans. Also, the Liberator needs a teleport please.

Personally, I don't like Sewell. I don't like Aaronovitch either. The McCoy era of Doctor Who comes to mind. It still makes me shudder. I wish Paul had never ever consulted with those guys.
Frankly, even if fans are not professional writers, I like the stories they tell, they are good stories.
I think things like: let's sack the "professionals" and hire fan writers instead. At least they care and are not thinking about marketing.
Who are they trying to market to? Men? Lets look at what a lot of men like: action with a weak plot. Things blow up and a lot of people die gory deaths in a lot of films aimed at males.
I think it would be nice if sci-fi was aimed more at women and what they like.
I think some changes would need to be made, or we are going to get what we had before, and we know how that ended.
I've seen some guys who think that was cool: yay they all died.
I don't see too many females thinking the ending was fab.

I read some fan comment that said: The Way Back is like a pilot for a different show.
I agree with that.
What if the theme we saw in the Way Back was consistent?
Rather than Saymon in a jar and Kairopan eating ant spiders. Or retconning and giving Gan a limiter so he can't defeat the killer aliens and Jenna has to be the helpless damsel in distress.
Why does Gan have a limiter and other violent criminals don't seem to have one? I wish he never had one.

Some of the stories were a laugh, but is it a political drama or not?
Do we really want or need three nerdy guys called Ultras who are dying to see the "human bonding ritual"? (Maybe some fans do, lol.) Again, it's a laugh, so I guess it depends on how serious you'd like B7 to be.

type_40 said: I don't see too many females thinking the ending was fab.

Me! Me!

Mind you, it's become a bit of a cliche, but they couldn't know that then.

You liked them all dying at the end? Or you did not like it?
Just clarifying.
I was under the impression that many fan fic writers (who seem to be mostly women) did not. I've read too many PGPs where some or all of them survived. I've also read AU's where S4 had a different outcome.
That ending made me feel sick, my husband feel sick, my stepsons and my step daughter.
The question in our household is: if Blake was dead in Terminal, why bring him back just to shoot him full of holes?
So, we like some other fans, would rather not see S4. It all ends in tears.
For me, real life ends in tears. So, I am not entertained by fantasy that ends that way. I watch it to escape, I don't want to find that my escape becomes a nightmare.
Death isn't cool for me. It's painful to lose people.

Especially after my mother's death, she died a violent death. It was awful. I just can't take it any more, and yes, TV doing that has become a cliche.
Watching the protagonists die, well what was the point?
That we shouldn't bother to fight anything? I'm sure glad they didn't have that attitude during WWII or we'd all be speaking German.

I enjoyed the first season but the second one bored me with all the politics and thinly disguised US In Space.

While I didn't precisely *like* their dying, I think it was the right ending for the series, and although I haven't re-watched S4 I recommend to New Souls for the Faith that they watch it all because it explains why everything went completely pear-shaped.

In Treminal, all we have is Servalan's word that Blake is dead, and she's not very reliable at the best of times and has every motivation to lie then.

I've written my share of cautiously-happy-ending PGPs, and my real preference was for work-arounds so Gauda Prime never happened, but I still think of that was what I *wanted* to happen, whereas "Blake" is what *would* have happened.

FWIW in my current fandom, Firefly, my favorite pairing is Mal/Simon even though I feel I'm consulting Simon's fantasy life rather than the history of the future...

I'm pretty sure they'll do the opposite: make them hardened criminals and terrorists, then kill them all because that's what terrorists get.

More is not always good. Listen to the crappy audio plays--and it's the same people doing the TV. They are not our characters.

DW is different--he's the same character regenerated and having new adventures. They're not rewriting his old ones.

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