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Nico ([personal profile] vilakins) wrote2007-09-25 06:24 pm

Space Fall (102)

A good ep and quite revealing of Federation society. Leylan says, "They don't bother! Nobody bothers anymore," which is the impression I get about the Federation: stagnant and slowly crumbling. I didn't realise it was ever so explicitly stated.

Tech
The London has the same hovering holo screens the Liberator has; I'd thought that was completely non-Federation tech because of Servalan's ordinary screens.
The London has hyperdrive which I don't think is mentioned again--except in the rdio plays. :-P
Artix is doing his training by listening to something like a small MP3 player. Cool.

Blake
Only Raiker mentions the false charges against Blake. Surely the other prisoners didn't all believe he was innocent? Child molesters are despised by career criminals (and pretty much everyone really). However as someone else pointed out, their rations were drugged although they all looked fairly alert to me.
I love that Blake surrenders to stop the killing of prisoners, and that his first destination is
Avon
Avon certainly starts as he means to go on: acerbic, brilliant, and arrogant. That document he looks at twice has to have significance within the ep. I therefore think it's an offer from Raiker to space the prisoners (and probably Leylan) and change the records. I can't believe Leylan would go along with it: he's basically decent if very tired of it all and near burn-out by the weary way he keeps rubbing his face.

Jenna
She's still capable and tough. I've come up with a couple of things she could have said to Raiker in stories, but in the context of the ep, I have no idea what she said to put him off for 4 months. I note that she and Vila still seem to be friends.
I can't believe she put makeup on every day for those 4 months. I have now decided that she has permanent makeup (tattoo or similar) on her eyes, lips, and brows, available even now. Her hair's another matter. Maybe the prisoners' showers also includes automatic hair grooming machines that maintained their original style while their one and only set of clothing was cleaned.

That conversation between all three of them in the computer room defines them all so well.

Vila
For much of the ep, he's confident and calculating. Given his later ability to get through locks including those at Central Control, he must be lying about the palm-print doors because he'd rather not get involved in anything that dangerous--there'd be violence done to the guard just to allow him to get at the lock after which Vila would be right at the sharp end. Keeping a look out and playing distracting games makes him just one of the crowd and possibly allows him to deny involvement if it all goes wrong. I don't know whether he really has claustrophobia, but he looks more sly than scared when he gets out of going into the crawlspace.
His suggestion of killing Avon doesn't sit with his later character, but he does say it in Avon's hearing. Is it an attempt to put Avon off the idea of hacking the records? Pretending to be tough? Either way it doesn't fit with the Vila we get to know.
Interesting point: this was the first ep made. TWB was made second, so this was Vila's first portrayal. Apart from the gun incident, he seems similar in both.

The dropped gun
[rolls eyes] Yes, this comes across as very stupid. It feels contrived and it doesn't match Vila's other behaviour in the ep. OK, it was written to get them captured and also maybe as (unsuccessful) comic relief, but we have to play the game here, so I will.
I don't think Vila had ever held a gun; he'd always been on the other side of one. Given Blake's immediate reaction in TWB of hiding when the troopers turn up, responding to an authoritative order when holding something he's unwilling to have anything to do with could be a fairly reasonable reaction. I note that the other convict with the gun who gets shot does so because he's looking at Vila instead of the trooper his gun's pointing at. Both of them behave stupidly; I'd say only Gan had any experience with weapons, and he was described by BBC publicity as a rebel from Zephron.

I might add that I come from a country where neither the citizens nor the ordinary police are armed, so my attitude to guns and dropping them will vary from that of many, especially those in the US.

Gan
I do like his menace when he tells the guard he only needs the hand--and the way he opens his own hand against the guard's to demonstrate what he wants. Very nicely done.

Nova
Poor Nova. That's a very effective scene with his ears popping at first with the drop in pressure, then his realisation of what's happening. I was horrified when I saw this in 2001 and it's still a chilling scene. He seems such a decent fellow too; what was he in for? Mind you, they all seem well behaved; we only get to see the nastier side of some convicts on CA.

The Liberator
I love the scene with the London dwarfed by it. And its airlock door is hexagonal! [is filled with joy] I still wonder what's in such a huge ship: the flight deck, living quarters, and treasure and clothes rooms wouldn't take up much room. What's in the rest of it? At least one bay that can take a small ship and freight holds perhaps?
And was that an alien weapon that caused the Altas to abandon ship, or Zen's defence system, never seen again?

Another good ep: surprisingly dark in places, but ultimately optimistic.

[identity profile] linda-joyce.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
I come from a country where neither the citizens nor the ordinary police are armed
When B7 was first aired in the UK the weapon of choice for the real hard men of crime, like the Crays, was a thug with a blunt instrument, guns were only used in internecine warfare amongst the gangs. Also if some one was killed during a crime the whole gang were likely to suffer the same punishment and IIRC that was still the death penalty. Burglary was considered a non violent crime and career burglars like Vila rarely carried anything that could be construed as a deadly weapon. Vila dropping his gun when told never struck me as odd, that's what a criminal of his type would have done if caught holding a weapon.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
I can imagine he'd never held one before, and was so stressed he could well have got confused. He threw it down as if he was relieved to get rid of it.

I suspect those that despise Vila for it (and I have come across several) are Americans or others who are quite at home with guns. It's still doesn't seem a good piece of writing in that it doesn't fit somehow, but your explanation makes a lot of sense. I'm probably looking at it as a viewer who's used to guns on screen even if I never see them in RL.

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I figure that Blake, as an Alpha, had Officer Candidate Training in school, so he's used to guns (and giving orders!)--whereas putting guns in the hands of Deltas, except when they were slime-and-laser-fodder, clearly would not have been a priority.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Plus I think Blake learned how to hunt down and cook his own food on Exbar as a jolly scouting lad. He knows about building fires in the next ep. :-)

The dropped gun

[identity profile] satan-pingu.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect those that despise Vila for it (and I have come across several)
Really? That seems a bit extreme :(
Sally Knyvette, Michael Keating and David Maloney didn't seem keen on it in their DVD commentary either. Maybe it's a moment for the kiddies (I confess to liking it when I was ickle, I've just become boring with extreme old age).

Re: The dropped gun

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Really? That seems a bit extreme

It's not. But they despise him for other things too, the main one not being macho. One of the guys I worked with thought Vila was "an utter prat". Mind you, he was the bastard I left that job because of, so Vila is flattered by his enemies.

I probably laughed when I first saw it. I have a sneaking suspicion I thought 'Orbit' was funny because look, Avon didn't mean it, friends don't kill friends, and he made that joke at the end. Then along came 'Blake'. I'll never forget the trauma that caused.

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 10:59 am (UTC)(link)
I'm happy to say that the death penalty for murder was abolished in the UK in 1965, so by the time Blakes 7 aired it had been history for over 13 years.

[identity profile] linda-joyce.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm very happy to hear that, having watched B7 on a black and white TV when it came out first I always imagine it to be older that I know it is.

[identity profile] britgeekgrrl.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
and IIRC that was still the death penalty.

(from the expat) The death penalty had been banned by then (abolished in 1965, although it remained in place for treason and mutiny until 1998.). Traditionally, the Brits debate its restoration every year (um, great tradition, guys) and some years it's considered more seriously than others...

But there were sentencing enhancements for using a firearm in any crime, so a person found guilty of carrying one whilst committing any sort of crime was going to go away for a long time.

But I agree with vilakins, it was still a contrived moment. ;)

[identity profile] zoefruitcake.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:14 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe the prisoners' showers also includes automatic hair grooming machines that maintained their original style while their one and only set of clothing was cleaned.

I remember seeing a kid's programme a few years back where they just stood on a spot and said 'wash' and it cleaned them and their clothes completely as they stood, and they stepped off dry and clean. I imagine it could be something like this, maybe sonic waves or better?

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm imagining something like that. I still wouldn't like wearing the same clothes--and undies--for 8 months. :-P

[identity profile] zoefruitcake.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:47 am (UTC)(link)
well no, but I guess prisoners can't be choosers, and at least they would be clean, although probably falling apart by then ;0)

[identity profile] hafren.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
Only Raiker mentions the false charges against Blake. Surely the other prisoners didn't all believe he was innocent?

I really think they did. I think they simply assume he was set up - otherwise, as you hint, he wouldn't have been whole for long. And nobody they run across ever mentions it again.(For the matter of that, I doubt even Raiker really believes it.) I think it's another hint at how weary everyone is with the system, they simply accept that such things happen.

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
Yay, Space Fall :-) Thanks so much for posting this. I saw this for the first time a week or so ago and was impressed by how well it's stood the test of time. I suspect this is going to get a bit long, but I have loads to say!

As you say, it's an episode that's very revealing of Federation society, not just in terms of its structure, and the all-pervading sense of corruption, but also in what it does to people. Leylan is particularly good here - he's so sympathetic, in his weary attempts to behave with basic decency (concerned for his crew, keeps Raiker from overstepping the mark, shocked at shooting unarmed men etc) and yet he's already deeply compromised. He knows exactly what Raiker has in mind for Jenna and is disgusted by it, but merely tells him to be "discreet", and when he yells at him for "going too far" it's as much because he's allowed other people, witnesses, to see what's going on, as because of what he's done. This allows us to see his giving Raiker a free hand to deal with the rebels as part and parcel of a pattern of closing his eyes to evil - he doesn't want to be a murderer himself, but he knows damn well what letting Raiker do things "his way" will involve, and he agrees to it. In a few strokes, we're given a clear illustration of the principle that evil is possible because good men do nothing. It's not enough to preserve one's own moral integrity, to disapprove of immoral behaviour. In a system as steeped in evil as the Federation, that puts you on the side of the stormtroopers.

This aura of corruption hangs over all the characters, including, of course - that's what makes it so wonderfully Blakes 7ish - our heroes. Avon makes it clear from the beginning that he's not interested in helping anyone else, but he is, as Blake points out, too intelligent not to know that Raiker will probably kill him once he's faked the records, and therefore that Blake's is the better offer.

Vila, however he may develop subsequently in the series, is quite clearly presented as a coward, and not a lovable coward (though he is funny) but someone who is as self-interested as Avon. Nova's death is, I think, deliberately put into the episode in order to show us that Vila's cowardice has consequences - Vila should have been the one to go on that mission, he comes up with a trumped up excuse, an inexperienced but decent kid goes instead of him, and gets killed. Nova is deliberately set up as young and naïve but brave and rather noble - he volunteers to go instead of Vila - so of course Vila ends u looking bad when Nova dies. He's also still alive, which Nova isn't. I suspect his suggestion of killing Avon is of a piece with this, and it's not a stupid suggestion either. In the ghastly world he lives in, self-interest comes first, and under the circumstances it's a very practical suggestion. He also suggests that Jenna give in to Raiker, because otherwise Raiker might make life nasty for all of them, another very practical, unpleasant, Vila-serving suggestion.

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
Continued from above...

Gan, too, is much more morally ambivalent than he will later become. I almost cheered at the bit with the hand, because it was so unexpected. In susbsequent episodes Gan deteriorates into a straightforward nice guy, a hero (and a victim) with no dark side, but here you can believe he would come up with a line like "we only need the hand" because that's the way he thinks. The character would have been so much more interesting if the writers (and the actor) had pursued this further, if the chip in Gan's head had turned out to be actually necessary, rather than a pointless piece of Federation cruelty (I'm aware of the "Gan is a serial killer" theory, but I have to say I think that's a resistant reading of the text. He would have been ever so much more fun to watch if he'd had a Reggie Kray side to him, though, and would have fitted much better into the B7 world of moral ambiguity).

Jenna doesn't behave badly, of course (and her fresh-as-a-daisy look on a prison ship is really irritating) but she does have that wonderful line about not believing in Blake's vision of a better worlld, but wishing she could. That combination of weary cynicism and improbable hope speaks volumes about why Blake is such a threat to the Federation - if he can ignite in even a battle-hardened criminal like Jenna the dream of a better future, and the resolve to try to realise that dream, then he can inspire pretty much anyone.

Blake himself comes across as the least compromsied of all the character, but then he is right at the beginning of his arc of corruption - the journey to Star One is a long one. Here he gives up the rebellion rather than let Raiker kill any more prisoners (that scene where Raiker kills a prisoner BEFORE he makes his demands is shocking in tis ruthlessness, though the killing of yet another prisoner after Blake has acceded tips into moustache-twirling) I'm tempted to say that he learns something here about the price of surrender, as well as the price of victory, but that might be reading too much into the episode. Still, I note that backing down doesn't save all the prisoners.

And finally, as early as this episode Avon articulates the fears that will drive him all the way to Gauda Prime - he tried to rob the banking system in order to become, in his own wonderfully ambiguous phrase, so rich that "no-one could touch me". He means, of course, so that no-one can hurt him, but the other meaning of "so no-one can move me" echoes underneath. And I wonder, thinking of his reaction to Anna when she shoots him ("At least that was honest"), if one of the reasons why he decides to go along with Blake in the first place is that Blake doesn't try to be nice to him (which to Avon's mind equals dishonesty). He essentially says "I accept that you're a ruthless bastard, but we need you, and your chances are better with us" - no flattery, no appeal to his better nature, just brutal honesty (Avon is the kind of person who thinks that politeness is hypocrisy, and rudeness is straight talking).

All in all, a really excellent episode that lays out the path the series is going to take with elegance and economy, and does some great work on characterisation to boot. And it's a very exciting piece of storytelling. And the contrast between the luxurious beauty of the Liberator, with its huge screen and vast spaces and attractive lighting, and the dreary, grotty, cramped world of the London offers an aesthetic metaphor for what our heroes are fighting for - freedom, a life worth living, a place to call home. It's beautifully done.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't go along with Gan the psychopath either. Psychopaths don't see others as people or have morals, but Gan cares about his mates, is self-sacrificing (twice: he risks going to the other ship in 'Bounty') and objects to Blake's plan to use the Terra Nostra. His limiter only prevented him from killing, but even so I don't think he'd have taken the guy's hand off--just knocked him out and held his hand to the lock. The threat worked faster though. That said, I do think Gan enjoyed violence in the sense of a good pub brawl or perhaps boxing or wrestling. He reminds the crew about his limiter in 'Deliverance' and says to Vila after the fight that he "really enjoyed that".

freedom, a life worth living, a place to call home.

Yes, it is, and someone on the Lyst suggested that's why Vila changed from projecting the tough image while among all the convicts to someone who feels he can be himself. I do wish they'd stopped the series after three seasons where they intended, with 'Terminal'. The Liberator and Zen were central to the whole feel of the series, and I'd have accepted the open ending they gave us. In S4 you're back to cramped grottiness, bleakness, and hopelessness as everything closes in on them, and what I regard as a distortion and flattening of Avon and Vila's characters, reduced to a cold-hearted nutter and a depressed loser.

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it would have worked better if what had drifted up first was Scorpio (which would certainly explain why Blake didn't have a bigger crew), and then later on, after Blake had left (when he wouldn't have the incentive of returning to the Liberator and putting it to revolutionary use) then Avon had somehow lucked into possession of the Liberator and still found himself unable to eliminate the Federation and be home by Christmas (the way he kept telling Blake he could do given half a chance).

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd have watched that version!

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
And in my version, there would have been only a few inhabited planets, but there would be not only multiple buildings but multiple countries per planet, so there could have been lots of intrigue about whether the folks trying to overthrow the Duke of West Zlorj would throw in with the Federation or not, but stuff would keep happening on Zlorj that would affect the overall situation.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
That would've been interesting! A few very inhabited planets instead of a lot of rocky ones only a few people can scrape a living on. I'd have liked to see different cultures too, either because of the settlers (Indian, Chinese, African...) or because the people developed their own. Given the rate at which humans breed, your scenario would be very believable.

Actually there's no reason it's not valid in canon. We never saw Destiny, or Lindor which I imagine as having an advanced civilisation and lots of cities. Blake attacked military outposts and may have avoided population centres like Gaul (inner or outer). The only ordinary (once) planet Avon went to IIRC was Helotrix and we only see the marshes.

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think Avon was a nutter in Season 4 - nasty, undoubtedly, but not irrational. Or not so irrational as to fall outside the bell curve. As you say, everything is grotty and bleak and hopeless, and Avon never wanted to be a leader, and he never had Blake's ability to make people believe that they could make things better. People are, unfortunately, capable of enormous cruelty under the right circumstances without the excuse that they are "of unsound mind".

I don't think Gan would have taken the guy's hand off either, but he'd have been a much more interesting character if we'd believed he might have done. All the others have an edge to them (well, the men anyway) - they could go either way. they habe an internal contradiction that makes them endlessly intriguing. Gan just does what's nice and right, there's no mystery to him.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 07:18 am (UTC)(link)
All the others have an edge to them (well, the men anyway) - they could go either way.

Even Tarrant did for me. Remembering Dev, I spent most of S3 assuming Del was a mole. I think the women are interesting too, but that may be because of how I've filled the gaps in, with Soolin in particular.

Whose bum is that?

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-27 07:22 am (UTC)(link)

> All the others have an edge to them (well, the men anyway) - they
> could go either way.

>
> Even Tarrant did for me. Remembering Dev, I spent most of S3 assuming
> Del was a mole.

And there's a nastiness about him - he thinks he's superior to Avon and Vila because he's a hero type, because he believes in moral principles (like not abandoning your friends), but there's a lot of self-delusion in there. And I wouldn't want to have to rely on Tarrant if I was in a tight corner.

> I think the women are interesting too, but that may be
> because of how I've filled the gaps in, with Soolin in particular.

I think that's an important point - at least the women are there, which gives you characters to work with, but their interest mostly lies in what you do with them.
>
> Whose bum is that?

It's Illya's. [livejournal.com profile] aneuhaus said she'd make some icons for me and I laughed my head off when I saw that one.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-27 08:04 am (UTC)(link)
And there's a nastiness about him - he thinks he's superior to Avon and Vila because he's a hero type, because he believes in moral principles

[nods] I also think some of it is that Tarrant's military and assumes he should be in charge. Avon simply lets him do what Avon can't be bothered doing, but lets him know he's not in charge when he oversteps the mark. As for Vila, both Tarrant and Dayna misread him (believing Avon's spare part joke and taking Vila completely at face value) because neither have any experience with anyone like him: an insubordinate and independent-minded inferior grade.

Tarrant's nastiest moments are the back-stabbing of the Death Squad (OK, fair enough, but it shows a sneakiness at odds with his facade of honour he projects) and his bullying of Vila in 'City'. Telling him that people Vila thought were friends wouldn't stop Tarrant throwing him off the ship was especially cruel. If I'd been Vila, I wouldn't have come back, though I also see his point about not going to a virgin planet where his skills would be useless and where he suspects no one would therefore want or like him. Me, I'd have brought Kerril back to the ship, then asked to be left somewhere nice like Lindor or Gardenos.

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-28 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
As for Vila, both Tarrant and Dayna misread him (believing Avon's spare part joke and taking Vila completely at face value) because neither have any experience with anyone like him: an insubordinate and independent-minded inferior grade.

Well, Dayna, of course, has almost no experience of dealing with anybody, having grown up in splendid isolation, but it makes sense that she'd be very susceptible to the opinions of the more forceful-minded members of the crew. And she has absolutely nothing in common with Vila at all - for someone who gets a kick out of danger and hunting, and who hasn't ever met anyone who doesn't admire her for that, Vila must seem a very sorry specimen of humanity.

I don't think I've seen Death Squad, but I agree that he's throughly obnoxious in City. Although I really enjoy watching him get his comeuppance! Tarrant's function, to my mind, is to be arrogant and objectionable and try to take charge, and then get slapped down by Avon. And he never seems to learn, because he does it over and over again :-)

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-28 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
This cannot be happening...I'm saying "But to be fair to Tarrant...", well, Avon never seemed to learn from never winning an argument with Blake, so if I consider that admirable persistence I suppose I can't expect Tarrant not to think the same of himself.

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-30 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I consider that nothing else in my life to come will equal the triumph of this moment...

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-27 08:04 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, Illya! And very pert too.

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-27 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
There is a divinity that shapes our ends, rough-hew them how we will.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-27 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
[Cracks up at both that and the icon]

I must get a decent screencap of the Arse Line-Up in B7 to iconise.

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-28 06:32 am (UTC)(link)
My absolute favourite of your pics-with-captions is the one about there being only one toilet on the the London. When I watched Space Fall and got to that bit I laughed like a mad woman.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-28 06:44 am (UTC)(link)
Hee! So did we!

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-28 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
ROTFL! Damn, I wish he'd been paying more attention when he shaped mine.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, so far Blake is pretty much uncorrupted, willing to surrender for criminals, willing to follow them to CA for four months to rescue them (I think it was quicker for them but he didn't know that) even though he says it's because he needs a crew. The last bit shows the source of his eventual corruption: the cause will come to subsume all till he's willing to kill whole populations for so-called freedom.

Vila, however he may develop subsequently in the series, is quite clearly presented as a coward, and not a lovable coward

No, he's not. I forgot to mention the bit with Jenna but if it had been me, I'd have whacked him hard; perhaps that was why she hardly spoke to him again. There's no excuse for that or the suggestion to kill Avon, even though it's obvious in the next ep that he's never actually killed anyone. Violence is all right if performed by others perhaps.

I loved Vila as a kid (and hated Avon because of S4). When I watched reruns a few years ago, I was wondering what the hell I'd seen in Vila (and that Avon wasn't all that bad) but he starts to become the Vila I remembered in 'Time Squad' and 'Seek-locate-destroy' (I love the spiel to the guards).

Have to go to work; more fomr there when I get a chance.

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 06:56 am (UTC)(link)
Violence is all right if performed by others perhaps.


Yes, I think that's the implication. However, it's not implausible that escaping that inhuman society to the comparative solidarity of the Liberator gives him the chance to soften up a bit and lets some of his better qualities come to the fore.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
I can believe that. In 'Assassin' Vila objects to the idea of killing the guy they think is Cancer. "I'm a thief, not a murderer!"

I used to think there wasn't much affection between the crew, but I once read a list online of the number of times they touch each other. They could well have been the first real friendships Vila had--sad in itself--which might explain why he would rather face danger than be on his own. Mind you, I also think he's an extreme extrovert who just couldn't stand being alone.

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-27 07:18 am (UTC)(link)
I always figured that they did actually care for each other, but had trouble articulating it, even to themselves. A case of actions speaking louder than words, because they save each other's lives all the time, and, as you say, they touch each other a lot.

And yes, I think Vila would curl up and die in solitary confinement!

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I couldn't figure out where Avon would have gotten a picture of Anna to project on the wall in Rumours, so I figure that the bit of paper must have been her picture.

But I will never understand why Blake, after concluding that he owes a bond of loyalty to Jenna, Avon, Gan, and Vila doesn't fill up the ship with hundreds of real rebels. (Of course I understand that it would be difficult to write Star Trek with 100% snarky red shirts, but that doesn't explain BLAKE'S strategy.)

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
He's afraid they might introduce democracy and then outvote him?

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I'm sure that Drake's Venture was one of Blake's favorite Ancient Texts, and if he ever heard Mal say "This ain't the ruttin' Town Hall" he would have felt envious.

[identity profile] kerr-avon.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
What is Blake's first destination?

And no, that's not what the paper was. I'd hardly be ass enough to be reading it in public if it were.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Not even to rub that fact that you have an alternative (if not a good one) into Blake? You're quite obvious about it the second time.

[identity profile] kerr-avon.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Alpha-male games are convoluted. The rumours about me bargaining with the crew were hardly secret, even though anyone above moron-grade would realize there was no percentage in it for me. If I'd gone along with such a harebrained scheme--honestly, do you think they could simply sell the surplus fuel after cutting their trip short and then sit around for eight months before returning to Earth? Or desert, after splitting up the money?

But suppose the ship was entirely crewed by morons-- not an impossible scenario in the prison-barge field. Even a moron would find it easier to kill all the prisoners, rather than leave one alive and reward him with his freedom and a sufficient stake to survive.

Blake knew that a man intelligent enough to forge the log would be intelligent enough to refuse to do so. He also knew I'd heard the rumours and was astute enough to see how irked I was that anyone would give credence to my participation in such a suicidal scheme.

So he played a game with me, letting me see his calibre and judging whether it was reasonable to go along with any scheme he proposed. The paper was meaningless, in this context, but Blake's reaction to it was not. He was amused.

I admit, that intrigued me. He seemed to have the basic intelligence, drive, and something I'd never possessed-- nor cared to-- the charisma to gather sacrificial followers. Once I made it clear to him that I would not be swayed, I could afford to listen to him.

No one but me needs to know what that paper was.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I never figured out what the Raiker would gain unless the whole company was in on it and I can't see Raiker or Artix going along with it.

[identity profile] daiseechain.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
With regards to Jenna's hair, I figure they just have some form of hairstyle injection that restructures the coding of the hair to form the length and placement of curls you want. One shot would be semi-permanent, lasting until the original DNA reasserted its dominance. Assuming it was a safe procedure, she could have a different hairstyle once a month, and if she'd taken it just before her arrest it would explain its longevity. It would be expensive, which is why the Deltas don't have it, but Jenna would have been able to afford it given the profits she had to be taking. For various reasons, the men don't use them, and Cally isn't nearly vain enough to want to.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Jenna was there four months. The men's hair doesn't grow at all, so I think they have some sort of robo-salon they can put their heads into, set to maintain what they have. It could well be set to handle even bizarre styles because arrested Betafarlians, aliens, and smugglers with a sense of style would probably feel less stressed with every day a Good Hair Day and therefore less likely to cause trouble. :-)

They had something like that on Xenon too for Soolin, but hers was obviously programmable.

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Given Cally's atrocious home permanent, I wouldn't say that she was lacking in vanity, just that she had either awful taste or bad luck.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-27 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
Perhaps the machines didn't work very well on Auron hair. Or as a practical rebel guerrilla, she went for a style she could wash and shake out and let dry. Isn't that why so many old women still go for the pensioner's frizz?

[identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com 2007-09-28 06:33 am (UTC)(link)
I'd go for the "awful taste" explanation. Our aesthetics are not like your earth aesthetics, human.