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Nico ([personal profile] vilakins) wrote2007-09-18 07:31 pm

The Way Back (101)

I thought I might as well repost my comments from the Lyst B7 mailing list here since we've moved on to discussing 'Space Fall' there.

And also: Happy Birthday to [livejournal.com profile] jhall1!

Thoughts on 'The Way Back'

Establishment (in more ways than one)
I thought the opening shot  was a brilliant touch: a surveillance camera, immediately establishing the sort of society the Federation is--and, I believe, years before CCTV. Then we hear a PA announcement about closed walkways and cardholders having to report to Central. None of this seems to bother any of the people moving quietly and calmly through the corridors, and almost immediately Ravella tells Blake about the suppressants in the food and water. The world Blake lives in seems clean and sterile and ordered--and he's quite happy in it.
One question I had was: why was Blake unaware until then of his own past when others obviously knew it? After all, he'd been on TV, publicly recanting.  I think people were too afraid to mention it in case they were taken in for questioning--or worse: "Don't mention the rebellion!". This is a very strong indication of what a fear-driven and controlled society this is.

Blake
He's a law-abiding and seemingly quite content citizen with little curiosity, and a strange passivity until he begins to get his memory back. He's also not yet the brave and dashing rebel, hiding cautiously out of sight when the troopers turn up. I would assume that all citizens learn from an early age to stand back and look away. He only begins to be the Blake we know as the London leaves Earth.

Crime and punishment
The vistapes sent home from Blake's executed brother and sister are an obvious parallel with the postcards sent from the Nazi death camps. Why would the Federation spend money to send people to other planets, just to kill them on arrival? I'd say so that people have no idea what's doing on. It's so much easier to hush up when it's far away.
Why wasn't Blake killed? My theory is that he is a living, walking deterrent to others. He was forced to recant, then mindwiped, and I'm sure many would consider this to be worse than a quick and heroic rebel's death. However when Blake broke his conditioning, he was in danger of becoming a figurehead again, so they had to discredit him for good. And how they did that is incredibly cynical and immoral: they deliberately ruined three boys' lives. I still cannot believe that this series was promoted as a family one and shown fairly early in the evening.
Obviously not everyone in the legal system is corrupt because we have Tel Varon who is first willing to defend a man he believes to be guilty, then when he realises that there's something very wrong going on, does his best to find out what it is, willingly helped by Maja.

Technology
People sneer at B7 special (or not) effects, but I thought the Dome was very well done. I was also impressed by Cell 3 morphing when Varon went to interview Blake.
iPod!

Women
I have no objection to the way women are shown here; quite the reverse. Alta Morag is powerful and clever, Maja is not just willing not only to accompany Tel but asks important questions of iPod Man too, and Jenna is tough and capable.

Jenna
As I said, she's tough and capable, and given her billing directly below Blake in the credits, I'm pretty sure Terry Nation intended her to be Blake's second in command. Pity that didn't happen, just as with the female Number One from the pilot of Star Trek whose role was considered too strong for a woman [rolls eyes]

Vila
Vila's sly and almost sinister here. I have to fit this in with the rest of the series, so I explain this by him playing the crazy card to make people give him a nice wide berth on the London. I also have to explain his petty and not very skilful thefts from Blake in the light of his obvious skill later.  I think he did it in plain sight of Jenna to look incompetent so that any much more clever thefts later wouldn't be blamed on him. He also says he's compulsive, but though many fic writers have picked up and run with that, there's no evidence for this outside this ep. I think he has a drive to prove his cleverness as a cracksman because it's the one thing he's better than anyone else at, but the actual stealing seems to be almost incidental.

One objection
"They literally took your mind to pieces and rebuilt it." No, they didn't. I mourn the loss of this once useful word that is coming to mean 'metaphorically'.

Overall
This is a very clever SF story that could stand alone. It describes a society depressingly well, and all the characters are well-drawn and distinctive. I remember watching it for the first time in 2001 (that I remember; I must have seen it as a kid) and being quite appalled by the last scene. I thought they'd settle for Varon being too late with his evidence, but right there they're showing us how much chance anyone has of fighting the Federation and winning.

Definitely not a 'family' series despite the slot it was originally shown in.

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
I think it *does* stand alone, and in effect one impulse for writing Political B7 stories is to continue the series that starts with TWB instead of the one that starts with SpaceFall.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
I think 'Space Fall' had that same matter-of-fact realistic feel to it, but from then on it got a lot more camp (the clothes room! Vargas!) But I love it anyway. All right, 75% of it.

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
I did sort of miss the clothes once they were on Scorpio and had to keep wearing the same ones.

But I love it anyway. All right, 75% of it.
The other half's on Blake!

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, were they all the same really hard-wearing outfit (as on the London), or did Dorian have a large supply of grey (as such or separated into B&W) clothes to provide guests to lull them into thinking they'd be staying a while (but not in the way they thought)?

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:16 am (UTC)(link)
Dorian Salvaged a boutique's going out of business sale and he never had a chance to sell the stuff on!

[identity profile] zoefruitcake.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
people were too afraid to mention it in case they were taken in for questioning

Oh yes, I agree.

Having spent a fair while (about 30 years) thinking about Vila's first thefts, I've always thought they were his attempt to meet people. It works

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
Not that great a way to start, I'd have thought. I think he was going for too incompetent to be blamed for anything, and slightly mental case so people would steer clear.

Someone on the Lyst made a good case for why Vila changed after he was on the Liberator. On the London, he was on edge, fighting suppressants, unwilling to take risks surrounded by dangerous cons, but on the Lib, he was with people he liked or at least trusted, and he was part of a very powerful and fast ship's crew, so he allows his real self to come through. I rather like that.

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
There's a story in "The Roads Not Taken" where Vila decides not to have anything to do with Blake after Vila has to knife a guard on Cygnus Alpha--makes a lot of sense to me!

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:16 am (UTC)(link)
He looks absolutely appalled; I can believe it. I thought it was more accidental, though that would make it worse. I'll have to give that scene a closer look this week on the much clearer DVD.

[identity profile] zoefruitcake.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:44 am (UTC)(link)
Good point about the suppressants.

He blossomed! Well, for a while anyway

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, poor sod. Then he ended up really depressed and defeated in S4, much worse than the confident Vila we see here.

[identity profile] zoefruitcake.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 10:17 am (UTC)(link)
I'll just think of him at his best

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
I write him a better future after GP. It's why I was driven to write fanfic. He might go through hard times but I make it up to him eventually. :-)

[identity profile] zoefruitcake.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
oh yes, definitely a happier future :0)

[identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:00 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the "Happy Birthday". :)

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
And I hope you had one!

[identity profile] jhall1.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks. So far it's been quiet but very pleasant. This evening my brother and his wife are taking me out to dinner at a nearby Indian restaurant, which should be the highlight of the day.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, excellent! I love a good Indian meal.

[identity profile] redstarrobot.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
"They literally took your mind to pieces and rebuilt it." No, they didn't. I mourn the loss of this once useful word that is coming to mean 'metaphorically'.

Define "mind", and then one can tell if it's literal or metaphorical. :)

No, actually, I'm very serious. If they were, in actual fact, removing and replacing his memories, reactions, behavior patterns, and thoughts, I think there's a very good case for that being literal.

[identity profile] jaxomsride.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
From what Dr Harman said I viewed it as in a very real sense and hence all the more chilling for it. Its like on Babylon 5 when the condemned criminal's mind is wiped as a form of execution.
I find this even creepier than the prospect of real death. You have someone who looks the same, talks the same but the mind that was once there has gone.
Blake the revolutionary was beaten, tortured, drugged and psychologically manipulated until he became Blake the model citizen. The memories and spirit that once drove him had been locked away out of his reach until the sheer horror and shock of the massacre provided the key back to his old self.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
He gets his memories back though, some of them. He tells them about Travis in a few eps.

[identity profile] jaxomsride.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Only after the shock had broken down the barriers, just like Dr Harman feared. (He must have had some very uneasy dreams on the London)

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
They do say his memories are still there, just inaccessible unless he's under great stress, so I'd go for conditioning.
FOSTER Those tapes are fakes. Part of the treatment to keep your memory suppressed.

GLYND Can he break through the memory blocks, Dr. Havant?
HAVANT It's unlikely. We don't eradicate memory, of course, merely make it inaccessible. But in the normal healthy mind the barriers are impenetrable. Should he suffer anything like a nervous breakdown, where all the mental circuitry malfunctions, as it were, then he might just possibly find a route into his past.
Besides, so many people abuse that poor little word, I'm willing to bet they did too. I also doubt they have the ability to pull a mind apart and put it back together and have a functioning person.

[identity profile] the-summoning-d.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know about it not being family-friendly. I first saw B7 when I was about six or seven, and all the references went completely over my head - it was quite a few years later I finally understood what Blake was actually being sent to Cygnus Alpha for.

I do love Vila and Jenna in The Way Back; a very good choice to represent the 'criminal elements' ^^.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I can just imagine some of the conversations though.
"But what did he do with those children?"
"Gave them sweeties and offered them a ride in his spaceship which annoyed their parents. Shut up and watch."

Vila and Jenna are great. It's a pity they softened Vila and reduced Jenna's role. Jenna ought to have been my favourite (I wanted to be a pilot) but instead I chose Vila and Cally.

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Even though I don't think the protagonist of a series has to be a stainless hero who is always right, I think that TWB rather wrong-foots Blake by making him entirely the victim of circumstances. I would have liked to see a gradual process where Model Citizen! Blake's intellect and personality caused him to get in trouble again by questioning the regime once again. And, for that matter, considering that everybody else on the crew really is guilty of what they were sent up for, why not have Blake be sentenced for being really guilty of political crimes instead of fitting him up for something that doesn't seem to bother anybody at any point in the series?

In the next episode, I bet some of the more devious kiddies put on innocent faces and asked their parents what Captain Leylan meant about Raiker being "discreet."

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
why not have Blake be sentenced for being really guilty of political crimes instead of fitting him up for something that doesn't seem to bother anybody at any point in the series?

So that the ordinary citizen sees him as a disgusting pervert instead of a noble martyr sentenced for his beliefs. That bit makes sense, but not that no one seems bothered by the charges thereafter. I'd have thought the convicts would have beaten him up regularly, and that his name was mud throughout the galaxy but Hal Mellanby tells us otherwise. OK, I know it wasn't something they'd want to address in a 'family program' but in that case they should have thought up another charge like terrorism: so much better, believable, and it allows for differing opinions depending on belief.

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
It's the second part that, for me, made the first part unworkable. And I certainly didn't get the feeling that the populace actually believed anything that they were told to believe. The fact that Avalon could be involved in "dozens" of rebellions, and that supplying mercenaries to rebellions could keep Del Grant in business, suggests to me that if anything the populace might have said, "Pity that we have to do business with disgusting perverts to get any rebelling done around here, but that's life."

MAL: Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh and someone on the Lyst already said that for several viewings she thought Raiker was going to offer Jenna better facilities (shower, privacy etc) and that Leylan meant him to be discreet so the other prisoners didn't get resentful.

!!!

I suppose that would be one good answer anyway

[identity profile] jaxomsride.livejournal.com 2007-09-18 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
That would have been long and drawn out besides it was the whole point of episode 1 that through the rebels and then the Administration mucking about with him that Blake returned back to being a rebel. In a sense the Administration helped to create the problem they were trying to avoid. It was kinda karmic that Blake escaped etc.
As for Blake being guilty the reason they couldn't was already explained in episode 1. It would have been too politically dangerous to do so even after 3 years he still had quite a following.
As for the rest, I suppose it depends on how public the trial was. Blake declared he was innocent and had been framed and then as soon as he and his merry band escape he begins his campaign against the Federation. I think even the best spin doctors would have found it difficult to keep up the pretence of "Blake the child molester".

[identity profile] the-summoning-d.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
My parents stuck by their 'if you have to ask you're to young to be told' stance. It saved them many an embarrassing conversation.

I wish they'd kept Vila the way he was in the first episode; he seems smart, capable, maybe a little sinister... I know we all love him anyway, but I would have liked to see more done with the person he was at first.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Not that capable at the pickpocketing though, so I think it's deliberate.

I would have liked to see more done with the person he was at first.

Yes, me too, though he's even more smart and capable later: getting through every lock, shooting down pursuit ships on the neutron blasters, able to manoeuvre the Lib out of Ultraworld, rescuing the others more than once, the only one Avon ever gave sole charge of Scorpio to...

He just covers it up more with overt cowardice (though like Rodney in SGA he acts anyway when his friends are in danger). I think it's the whining and the vulnerability that make him different. The whining I could do without but if he hadn't been vulnerable, I would never have got into fanfic and LJ and all the rest. :-)

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2007-09-19 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Really, when you look at what Vila usually does, it's open locks, and a safecracker is a specialist, there's no reason why he or she would be a good pickpocket.

[identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com 2007-09-20 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Which makes one wonder why he did it. He must be aware he's not good at it; he's not stupid (even if he pretends to be).